December 22, 2014



Chuck Baldwin: What Does John Hagee Really Want?

June 28, 2013


Chuck Baldwin

| Charles "Chuck" Baldwin is a politician, radio broadcaster, and pastor dedicated to preserving the historic principles upon which America was founded. He was the presidential nominee of the Constitution Party for the 2008 U.S. presidential election and had previously been its nominee for U.S. vice president in 2004. He hosts a radio program and writes an editorial column carried on his website Chuck Baldwin Live.



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John Hagee, and many other evangelical preachers, constantly beat the war drums. Without ceasing, they encourage America’s political leaders to wage non-stop wars of aggression–especially in the Middle East. They constantly trumpet America’s unconstitutional interventions in the Middle East with terms not unlike those used by militant Muslims. Hagee’s pro-war fanaticism is so extreme one must wonder how much he is being paid by the Israeli lobby. My guess is it’s a bunch.

Much of this Christian war fever is due to a convoluted interpretation of Scripture–especially prophetic Scripture. While I will leave most of this discussion for another day, let me simply say that whatever God plans to do in regard to the reestablishment of the Davidic Kingdom, it has precious little to do with the atheistic, apostate government currently headquartered in Tel Aviv. And Hagee, himself, teaches apostasy when he declares that Jewish people today have a special covenant with God and do not need to come to faith in Jesus Christ in order to be saved, and when he says that Jesus never even claimed to be Christ (Messiah).


Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.” (John 14:6 KJV) Now, either Jesus or John Hagee told the truth. I’ll take the word of Jesus. Plus, Mr. Hagee apparently forgot Simon Peter’s confession, which Jesus said was due to a revelation from God the Father, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16 KJV)

So, what is it that Hagee and the rest really want? Perpetual war? Total genocide? A global New World Order with the likes of G.W. Bush or Barack Obama at the helm? What do they really want? Do they really have such an inflated view of themselves that they truly believe that they are going to manipulate what God does or doesn’t do regarding the fulfillment of end time events? Is God their servant? Is God Israel’s servant? Is God America’s servant? Balderdash! God is no man’s (or country’s) servant.

I wonder what these warmonger-preachers think about all the “blowback” from these illegal and immoral wars of aggression that G.W. Bush (and now Barack Obama) has led us into. Not only are these wars provoking people all over the world against us and doing more to recruit volunteers for militant extremists in the Middle East than anything Al Qaeda could do on their own, they are having catastrophic results on missionary work.

Now think this through: these warmongering evangelicals beat the war drums; they encourage the young men from their churches to go off and fight these “holy” wars; they work tirelessly to elect pro-war politicians; and they twist Old Testament Scripture to fit these modern crusades. Then, the politicians whom the warmongers helped elect send the US military to invade, bomb, and kill hundreds of thousands of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent people. After which, these same warmonger-preachers get up in their pulpits and cry and weep about how we need to send missionaries to preach the Gospel to the same people they just got done trying to annihilate.

Exactly who is it that the missionaries are supposed to reach? The ones lucky enough to escape death and destruction from US bombers and drone attacks, I guess. And exactly what is the message our missionaries are supposed to deliver? “I’m from America, and I’m here to tell you about the love of God.” Oh, that is going to play really well with the loved ones of those family members we just destroyed.

I’ve had so many missionaries tell me how difficult it is for them to try to minister to people around the world today; and the chief reason is the bully reputation that America has built over the past several decades.

Furthermore, do these warmongering evangelicals really want to deal with the fact that we now have over 23 veterans and active-duty military personnel committing suicide EVERY DAY? That equates to more fighting men dying from self-inflicted wounds than from wounds received in the wars they are asked to fight. This is a first in US history. Is John Hagee interested in why so many of our fighting men are killing themselves?

Just recently, an Iraq War veteran killed himself and left a sad and compelling suicide-letter explaining why he ended his life. The letter was posted with the family’s permission. This young soldier was engaged in over 400 combat missions as a machine-gunner in the turret of a Humvee.  He was also involved in the interrogation of countless Iraqis. In the letter, the soldier said, “The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of.

“To force me to do these things and then participate in the ensuing coverup is more than any government has the right to demand. Then, the same government has turned around and abandoned me. They offer no help, and actively block the pursuit of gaining outside help via their corrupt agents at the DEA. Any blame rests with them.”

The distraught soldier went on to say, “Is it any wonder then that the latest figures show 22 veterans killing themselves each day? That is more veterans than children killed at Sandy Hook, every single day. Where are the huge policy initiatives? Why isn’t the president standing with those families at the state of the union? Perhaps because we were not killed by a single lunatic, but rather by his own system of dehumanization, neglect, and indifference.

“It leaves us to where all we have to look forward to is constant pain, misery, poverty, and dishonor. I assure you that, when the numbers do finally drop, it will merely be because those who were pushed the farthest are all already dead.

“And for what? Bush’s religious lunacy? Cheney’s ever growing fortune and that of his corporate friends? Is this what we destroy lives for?”

See the report and the soldier’s complete suicide-letter at:

Iraq Vet Kills Himself After Being Ordereed To Commit War Crimes

What was the soldier’s lament? He was forced to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. He was forced by the government to cover up these crimes. His government abandoned him in his hour of need. His pain and guilt was more than he could bear. The soldier’s own words were that his was “Not suicide, but a mercy killing.”

Mr. Hagee and the rest of you warmongering evangelicals out there, is this soldier’s suicide (and the suicides of over 23 active-duty and military veterans every day) what you had in mind when you beat the drums for America’s undeclared, unconstitutional wars of aggression? This young soldier saw the reality of these wars up close and personal–and he didn’t like what he saw. And don’t try to brush this off by saying it’s always been this way. No it hasn’t! We didn’t have suicides like this during World War I or World War II. Whatever the politics back then was or wasn’t, those were lawfully declared wars in which our men knew what they were fighting for. They went in; they fought; they came home.

The war we are fighting in the Middle East is now America’s longest war, and there is no end in sight. Bush and Obama have made perpetual war an official US policy. In addition, this “War on Terror” has transformed the American people from citizens into suspects–every last one of us. Military drones by the tens of thousands are, or soon will be, flying over the skies of America. The American citizenry is being spied on relentlessly. Two super spy centers are currently being built: one in southern Utah and one near San Antonio, Texas. These super spy centers are designed primarily to spy on the American people. Liberties once protected by the Constitution and Bill of Rights are now publicly and blatantly abused. And evangelicals such as John Hagee say nary a word of protest. Instead, they continue to support and promote this so-called “War on Terror.” At what cost, Mr. Hagee? At what cost?

Hundreds of thousands of innocents are being killed; animosity against the United States is growing exponentially; in an effort to keep our country at war, our economy is being overburdened and overtaxed to the point of no return; in the name of the “War on Terror,” America is on the verge of becoming a giant police state; we are inciting China and Russia into nuclear war; and America’s military veterans are killing themselves more frequently than are enemy bullets. Is this what you want, Mr. Hagee? Is this really what you want?

 




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  • http://www.mormonstruth.org/products.html Dave P.

    “While I will leave most of this discussion for another day, let me
    simply say that whatever God plans to do in regard to the
    reestablishment of the Davidic Kingdom, it has precious little to do
    with the atheistic, apostate government currently headquartered in Tel
    Aviv.”

    It won’t happen in Israel, Chuck. The descendants of Judah LOST all of their covenant status when they crucified their God. Agency trumps prophesy and thus the actions of the Jews cost them their “chosen” status.

    The New Jerusalem will not be built in Israel. The Lord’s House is not exclusive to those of a particular bloodline. Anyone who repents and is baptized by the proper authority is brought into the Lord’s house via the Law of Adoption.

    • tarawa1943

      DaveP. – It is a close statement there on the sin of presumption, eh? “It won’t happen in Israel, Chuck. The descendants of Judah LOST all of
      their covenant status when they crucified their God. Agency trumps
      prophesy and thus the actions of the Jews cost them their “chosen”
      status.” ….. well upon the authority of the KJBible, I do not see the 144,000 Jews in the tribulation, at the fullness of the Gentiles, losing their covenant status, in fact Israel in the end times depends on that prophesy. Your opinion sounds like your begging the point for re-writing the last book of the KJBible. And we both know how that will turn out! Israel has and will not lose any covenant status, they will be chastened like all sinners. Not my opinion but as the Bible being the final authority on that, not Dave P.

  • Jason Whittington

    I couldn’t have stated it better. The majority of the Western “Church” is apostate.

    • Amphiluke

      They always have been apostate. From the Catholics to the Protestants and the wacky Millennialists, they have all missed the mark of the Spirit of God. They don’t know the Father nor Jesus because they do not listen to what they say. The kingdom of God is spiritual and is already here. Col.1:13. He that is of God hears God’s words. They therefore do not hear them because they are not of God. It takes a truly honest and ego-free humility to hear God’s word and then do it.

      Here are two litmus tests for them: Is the immersion in water that Jesus requires of every believer, “for the remission of sins” or not? This takes faith and honesty.

      When Jesus said that he would return and set up his kingdom before the last of his disciples died and before that generation of Jews passed away; was he telling the truth, or was he mistaken? This takes faith and spiritual understanding.

      • Jason Whittington

        Hey, don’t forget the one thing that’s responsible for sending more people to hell than anything else: The Sinner’s Prayer. I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where we are to ‘ask Jesus to come into our hearts.’

      • R4F1

        The “Crusades” were advertised as a great campaign against Muslims to reclaim the ‘Holy Land’, but what did it actually do? The Fourth Crusade ended with the sacking and plunder of Constantinople, the capital of Eastern Orthodoxy. And they weakened it so much, the Ottomans soon took it over.

        The people who fought in the Crusades were the peasants and the poor, who were enticed with religious veal and zealotry, but it was all for the moneyjunkies and powerjunkies. The lords and kings at the helm of the Crusades could care less about God or justice. Why else did they persecute Orthodox Christians, including the very Byzantines they first started the Crusades claiming to defend?

        This agenda has continued on to this very day. Why was Greece and Cyprus targeted by the Troika/EU so devastatingly? The last remaining successors to the old Byzantines are the Greeks and Greek-Cypriots. And coincidentally both were targeted; i don’t think its a coincidence at all.

        The West has long been hijacked; and unlike Russia or China, it wasn’t an open hijacking via “Communism”. Its a subliminal/stealth hijacking, where most of the idiots still think they are doing “God’s work” and Christianity is at the helm. When in reality, Christianity just like every other mainstream Abrahamic religion (including non-Salafist Islam, and non-Zionist Judaism) is being directly attacked and undermined.

  • JoKeR

    he wants moar bl00d for bal

  • J. Nev

    John Hagee is a champion of Israel making himself a loud mouth smuck. Even the regular Jewish people are afraid to tell you who controls it all. The Elite have the media ridicule card down to a science but cannot explain the following:

    Israeli attack on USS Liberty (US Navy ship)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZSzdQuOqM

    Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

    THE GREATEST COVER UP IS THE (SELF TITLED) ELITE JEWS (NOT THE REGULAR JEWISH
    PEOPLE) CONTROL IT ALL AND DARE YOU (ANTI-SEMITISM) TO EVER EVER MENTION IT!!!

    THE JEWISH ELITE USE THEIR OWN PEOPLE AS PAWNS FOR FINANCIAL GAIN…

    PROVE IT TO YOURSELF CHECK THE CAST, DIRECTION, AND PRODUCTION OF ANY MOVIE, TV
    SITCOM, OR NEWS MEDIA…

    Example:
    NBC Today show Matt Lauer – Jewish
    CBS news (formerly with Katie Couric) – Jewish
    CNN Wolf Blitzer – Jewish
    The Daily Show Jon Stewart – Jewish
    Filmmaker Steven Spielberg – Jewish
    Filmmaker George Lucas – Jewish

    “Some” of the cast for IRONMAN: Robert Downey Jr., Scarlett Johansson, Gwyneth Paltrow, Garry Shandling, and Jon Favreau ALL ARE JEWISH.

    (((HOLY SHIT))) MEL GIBSON WAS RIGHT TO BE SCARED…

    The Godfather (Marlon Brando) is PISSED OFF at Jews in Hollywood

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv4UOwAWhpU

    Hollywood An Empire Of Their Own (1 of 3)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YZws9xYEQ

    Criminal Rothschilds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc

  • Timothy S. Sanderson

    While an ardent reader of CB’s work, I do not believe this piece was written well. I think he could have done a better job with such a great topic. His relentless ranting seemed to lessen the articles “punch”

  • Patrick Piklapp

    Any “Christian” that promotes war isn’t not a true Christian. Jesus taught the path to peace and anything else is not his way. So Hagee and his ilk are false prophets and true followers of Christ know to avoid them.

  • Jim Morrison

    I was more than a little surprised to see this article about Pastor Hagee. It exactly matches all my experiences with Pastor Hagee and his church.

    I live in Austin TX and occasionally go to San Antonio, where Pastor Hagee tends to his flock. The last time I was invited to Hagee’s church (Cornerstone) was for its 2010 “God and Country’ service, to which the church extends invitations to all candidates for political office in the church’s electoral districts. The candidates all get “rock star” seating and the service is — well, you have to go to experience it. it’s unbelievable.

    One of the church’s little activities is for everybody who believes in Jesus to raise their right hand. It looks EXACTLY like something from a 1930s Leni Riefenstahl film. My Democratic opponent, who was seated next to me, was utterly stunned (she’s Jewish), incredulous at what she was hearing and especially what she was seeing.

    What she missed seeing was — the plainclothes church security guard standing right in front of us had a telltale rectangular bulge high on his right hip, and it was NOT his wireless radio — the bulge in the small of his back gave that one away. No, this bulge was obviously a concealed-carry pistol, and a big one. I grant that concealed carry is legal in Texas, and with all things considered maybe not a bad idea in a large congregation — but at the time, letting people see where you were packing was a serious crime in Texas. I think it still is.

    And it was obvious by his hip-bulge that his gun was a large-caliber automatic, something the size of a 1911 Colt, or something like my Taurus PT-92, which is the standard issue pistol of the Brazilian army, and a functional clone of the Beretta that’s presently US Army standard issue. (With this jewel, a shooter can easily empty two 17-round clips in less than 15 seconds, including reloading, then do that three or four more times without the gun jamming. It’s a Good Thing.)

    Like i said, I don’t mind people being armed in church — but it begs the question of WHY the good Pastor Hagee needs multiple armed, plainclothes guards on any Sunday.

    Shoot (no pun intended!), I’ve hob-nobbed with several Presidential candidates who had fewer (or NO) armed guards than Hagee has, and (if armed) all were armed with much lesser weapons than Hagee’s guard.

    Why does Pastor Hagee need so many armed guards? Is it maybe because his message is that inflammatory? I know for a fact it’s not because of the collection-plate take, which looked to be far less than my usual Methodist church’s Sunday collection. And that church’s membership (and sanctuary) is less than 1/8 the size of Cornerstone’s.

    None of the Methodist deacons carrying the plates was ever packing heat, and the only security guard at the services? His main job was to call 911 if one of the dear old blue-haired grannies had a heart attack or a fainting spell during the services.

    Maybe, like baldwin suggests, we need to take a harder look at the agendas of ALL churches.

    • R4F1

      This is what you’re complaining about? Why he had armed guards?
      With all the shams and lies this man is involved with; you complain about this instead?

  • Milt Farrow

    Listen to these two “great patriots ” McCain and Kill’m forever Graham Here is the quote from these two scumbags ” Al Queda needs our help” Well we can send McCain ( He killed 126 boys aboard a carrier

    “Nice job McCainey” and Graham “Get the Water – I want to pour it down their mouths till it comes out the other end” What great Americans we have in Congress – Jefferson and Washington must be turning over in their graves ! Hagee is a theatrical fraud who lives off the handouts of ignoramuses, as well his only interest in Israel is that “It is the backdoor into Jerusalem” which they fear losing, if it were not for that, they would throw most Jews under the nus with Hitler- 24-7 these thieves go on propogating their “money spiel”
    The bullshit stories and healing “acts” belong in a 3 ring circus

  • Milt Farrow

    Response to J.Nev –
    As for the USS Liberty hit by Israeli Jets, The hand of President Johnson is all over ‘that murder weapon of 17 good men that we lost ” When apprised of the incident that bastard Johnson said ” I want that ship on the bottom ASAP” So for some reason Johnson and our Pukes in the General Command ( Most Likely Centcom) they wanted an incident created by the battering of that ship-by superior air power “ISRAEL COULD HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO STOP THE PURPOSEFUL WASTE OF AMERICAN LIVES AND I DO NOT KNOW THE REASONS WHY”

  • Capt. Jack

    I have been a member of Hagee’s church for over 30 years. I’ve listened to thousands of his sermons over the years. He has never called for war. He is not a war monger, this is utterly ridiculous. This opinion piece by Chuck Baldwin is a work of fiction, not fact. Do not believe this shameful editorial. Mr. Baldwin, you will answer for your slanderous words one day—to an eternal judge.

    • texaschris

      Have you actually read his books? He calls for war against Islamic states throughout.

      Sorry, but perhaps you’ve been sleeping through a few sermons…

  • db

    any preacher that beats the war drums is not a follower of Christ

  • texaschris

    This article gives me hope. Thank you Chuck Baldwin!

  • miltfarrow

    It’s not about religion, it’s all about Money, Power, and Control period

  • miltfarrow

    Bush was never a Christian believer -( that came out during some senate testimony that McCain was involved in and with The Indian Gaming permits and it was Ms Italia, a deponent who gave the Bush People up , big time, He qualified them as “loonies” He just needed a drum to beat after Kissinger handed him the “plans for 9-11″ Where they had a willing partner Chuck was the Evangelistic nut jobs were panicking over losing a toe hold in the mid east-( It was an easy marriage) However these morons got an awful lot of people killed along with the Muslims that they love to hate, and lost all Christians in that theatre
    It was they that allowed bastards like McCain and Graham to have “their endless war” as well this played beautifully into the “war materials manufacturers and their banker friends, Obama just walked in, took the
    Scepter from Bush and continued the same game, except things are coming un done-Hence the arms grab and the gun panic-They are going to find out just how mad the public is when the first bunch of body bags come home-If I was a cop or a National Guardsmen I would look for a place to hide when TSHTF

  • jollyroger

    This is how religion poisons everything.
    Hagee is another of the breed of charlatans and carney barkers preying on people’s fears and ignorance which includes his entire congregation and the congregations of other charlatans like him. He along with the other dispensatrionalist churches project the idea of nuclear Armageddon for the entire planet as a means by which the rapturists would soon find themselves taken up into the clouds to be seated alongside their old testament god. They would rather witness the destruction of all life on this planet to fulfill their own selfish and self centered, childish and moronic claims.

    Rubbish! Hagee, LaHaye, Graham and the rest are all frauds. At the end of the day they pat themselves on the back saying to themselves,” Well, I got away with it again.”

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